Is this 2 assaults at Smalley's in the same week?

Hi Carbon: These two reports span two weeks. This one happened Thursday, the other was Sept. 21.

Hmmm.... It wasn't that long ago that the city council determined a rooftop bar permit would not be granted to Rafters because of it's bad reputation and excessive fights. How does the council plan on fixing the problem at Smalley's? Shut them down?

I think it was one council member who questioned the permit, but permission was granted for rooftop dining. Although this situation is about personal responsibility, being as its a good bet that alcohol was involved, it may be that Smalley's needs to review their policy IF these people were over served.

Sillwater is turning into a dump like Minneapolis!

My heart goes out to this man and his family. I am sure the pain they must be feeling is nearly unbearable. Hang in there Adam, we are sending positive thoughts and energy to you and your family.

I want to know why the family is requesting all of the videos on the internet (which I can't seem to find) to be taken down, because it would impede a fair and impartial jury if this goes to trial. Does the video show Adam disregarding a well known law of physics? The biiger they are, the harder they punch. Hmmmmm. Smells a little fishy to me. Bad call on the families part asking for donations on the Caring Bridge page and putting that request front and center. Anyone with half a brain could see through that one. I wouldnt donate a penny to this kid....he should have walked away.

Hey Sean C: The donation request that is front and center on the page is actually for CaringBridge.org, not Mr. McCloud. The donation would go to the nonprofit that hosts CaringBridge websites, so they can continue to provide the service for free.

So who is the guy in the picture - the attacker or the attackee?

Ok, I'll admit my ignorance re: the money chain. Am I wrong in assuming that the McCloud page is not just an awareness announcement? Are you saying that he will not have access to funds raised by the nonprof? My point is simply this, I would rather see money EXCLUSIVELY going towards kids afflicted with illness or injuries, a father who was struck by a driver while doing road construction, a mother who contracted an illness while working as a nurse. This looks, admittedly at face value, like two drunk idiots got into it and one got the better of the other. Not a charitable cause in my opinion, not even one that I would feel proud publicly advocating if this were my young brother.This was clearly not an unprovoked attack. The police said they had been "interacting" all night. He or his friends had to have had at least one opportunity to change this outcome, as did Eric Richard.

Susan, first off, your implications regarding my age and what I have and have not lost are not relevent (and are extremely far from accurate). Secondly, you validate my argument. You use the word "sucker punch". Why do you assume Mr. Richard sucker punched him. We have two pieces of information to suggest this was not the case. 1: The police say the two men had been "interacting" all night.
2: Why would the family be seeking the publics help in removing the video of the event from the internet in order to ensure an impartial jury? If my family member or your father had been "sucker punched" (your words) wouldn't you want the world, the court of public opinion to have witnessed such a cowardly, ungentlemanly attack? Come on Susan, do you really think I would have an issue with the family asking for help if this man had been using an ATM machine when out of nowhere he was hit with a bat and robbed. Logic, objective reasoning, deductive reasoning....take emotions and personal history out of the issue here. It has no place, look at the information provided.

And by the way, I hope the man makes a full recovery. I truly do. My issue is with asking for donations before all the facts come out in a criminal case. If we find out that Mr. McCloud was as much of the problem as the victim, I would hate to take resources, prayers, valuable web page space away from somebody who is suffering from something that was truly out of their hands.

Lets remember police have not yet released all of the information in this incident. A complaint may be filed today, according to police, which will give a better understanding of what police believe happened that night.

The judgment here is a little premature. We will find out what happened that night, but until then, let's remember that both of these men have families who are hurting and they certainly hold no blame.

Thanks Shawn. I had never heard of Caring Bridge. I thought since they also were using a facebook page to keep interested parties updated, that this site was used to collect support for his medical costs. I am completely up to speed now with its roll. Has a site been set up for donating to his medical expenses? I am a right of center citizen, and I am concerned that the outpouring of opinion in this case(at least from what I have seen here) is premature. This is going to be a criminal case, and so far, simply because McCloud is in such serious condition, it sounds as if he is being portrayed as the victim. I think criminal cases should be handled responsibly regardless of the outcome of personal health. A perpetrator can easily become the victim, just as the intended victim can become the aggressor. Honestly, thank you for squaring me away on the role of Caring Bridge.

Who blamed the families, Susan?

Susan, you replied directly to Adam McClouds family and to him directly. If you truly believe the facts remain unclear, why haven't you made an assumption that Mr. Richard is suffering after this event? Why are you only sending your thoughts and prayers to the McClouds? How do you know that McCloud was not the aggressor, simply because of the outcome?

I didn't say anyone blamed the family. My point is that there are families, who are hurting, involved here. To start questioning motives is only hurting them at this point. There is a man in critical condition, before we start jumping to conclusions and discounting worry for his health, let's wait to get the facts, and no, I am not saying that you have done these specific things, but a little compassion is called for.

Sean, my last comment was posted before I saw your last.

You know what, never mind, this is clearly going nowhere.

I agree this is going nowhere. But in the age of compassion that every delicate individual seems to need these days. I am glad that I am raising a son who will understand that actions have consequences. And no matter how much public support, and "compassion" you get from strangers who know nothing about you, you will still be in critical condition. Maybe the compassionate partcipation trophy generation needs to step aside and make way for the reality of permanence movement, where we show our kids and neighbors that dead is dead....forever. And paralyzed is paralyzed....forever. I'd rather see a community of proactively realistic people being honest, no matter how much it hurts, than reactively compassionate. Seriously people, when does this crap end? When does it become OK to call a spade a spade and say....these were two drunk idiots who made their beds....enjoy it. Victims and fools are not one in the same. These were fools.

Okay you guys, lets remember the important part of this.. Adam is fighting for his life who cares about how drunk they are or what had started the fight. Adam is the VICTIM he is not a fool, in Eric Richards mug shot he didnt seem to have any injuries, which makes Richards the predator and McCloud the VICTIM. Sean take your ignorance somewhere else.

Thank you Lindsey, Adam is not the kind of guy to start a fight in any situation. Also, the reason the family doesn't want the video out there is that lawyers must find a jury that hasn't seen it yet. It has nothing to do with what's on the video.

We know Adam from watching so many sporting events at Acapulco - he is a very friendly, outgoing guy who always gave us a warm welcome and treated us with great warmth. He's always seemed like a great guy, and we usually walked out with a smile whenever he was our bartender. Our hearts go out to his family and we are praying for Adam's recovery. And, we've followed the health updates of several friends and acquaintances via Caring Bridge. They do a terrific job of helping families keep people informed about their loved one's health condition. The site means family and friends don't have to send out constant updates to lots of people. They can focus on helping their loved one recover.

I work in the same company with hem, I only got to see hem a couple times and he was really nice to everybody,hope everything gets better for hem he has a life still to live and enjoy, I'm Carlos mata from coon rapids Acapulco,get better buddy!!!

Susan and Sean need to get in on and get it over with (in hopes of a full recovery)

Thanks for the reminder, Shawn. I have deleted two comments that might not be appropriate.

Just for the record, and without giving too much information, I do happen to know what is going on and what happened. This is a tragedy on many different levels. Judgment without all the information is disingenuous and destructive.

Not that I started the name calling, but I will remove my last post as well. I think it is important that someone acts as the voice of impartial judgement for Mr. Richard. The idea of innocent until proven guuilty has oviously been thrown out the window in Stillwater, lovely and enlightened town I see.

Sean c I don't know who you are but you have no idea what you are talking about. Adam never went looking for fights when he was drinking and was the nicest guy to everyone in the time that I have known him I have never even seen him mad. Don't think you understand the situation when you don't know the people in it

Thank you!

And Richard is guilty

What people don't know is that Richard was staring fights in downtown Stillwater the week before but no major injuries or police reports were made.

This argument is about the legal process. And I dont care what you heard he was doing the week before, if he was not charged, he is not guilty of anything until he is prosecuted for this incident.

Sean, you pompous ass. We all understand that you regrard yourself very highly, but who are you to attempt to redefine words like victim and charity? What is one person's charitable cause may not be another's. If you don't feel like donating money, then don't do it. Simple as that. But please don't sit here trying to convince others of how correct you are in your way of thinking. Adam IS a victim here (if you don't understand that, use a dictionary). Regardless of who the aggressor was and the intention behind the attacker's punch, Adam is fighting for his life. You should be ashamed of yourself sitting there on your computer implying that having compassion for someone in that state is somehow reproachable. Get over yourself.

Pompous? Because I'm saying let the investigators determine what really happened? And redefining terms like victim, aggressor and charity? This happens to be the forum where this story is being discussed, don't imply that I am a coward who stirs pots behind a screen. You do not know anything about my background and I know nothing about yours. So I wont make a ridiculous comment like you just did. If a man breaks into your home and attacks your family, you shoot him and he ends up in a coma at the hospital....who is the victim. If anything I support victim rights passionately, but just because someone ended up with serious injuries does not automatically make the the victim. So once again, for those in Stillwater....wait for the authorities to finish their investigation. How does standing up for due process make you pompous?

He was prosecuted. First degree assault. And thank you Eric

When and where? What is the case number? I would like to read it.

But once again, because I believe in the legal system, I'm still struggling to understand what it has to do with this case from a legal standpoint.

Shawn,
I have been civil. And I am the only one who has mentioned that there are two men here who are still innocent until proven guilty. I am the only one who has not branded Mr. Richard guilty of Assault. I seem to be the only one who wants to wait and see what the police uncover about what happened. I am also the only one who has not started name calling like little kids.

Shawn,
Have you been able to find anything on Eric Richards criminal history? If he has one or not, I'm the only one not assuming he has one.

I don't know the case number because I didn't have to read about it in the paper. I know what is going on. You are being insensitive and acting like you know what is exactly going on. You don't. You know what the papers have told you. You don't know these people you don't know how this is affecting the ones in their lives. I live in Stillwater. I know these people. You do not. You cannot form an opinion on the legal matters when you don't know all the factors affecting the situation. You have no right to assume this was two "drunk fools" as you said getting into an argument, this is far from what happened, so quit being so insensitive with what you are saying. People are grieving and hurting and you are being pompous. Leave it alone. You don't know what you are saying.

Susan,
My concern comes from years of being "surprised" by the truth, when everyone was so certain about the character of a friend, son, brother or acquaintance. I'm guessing you dont believe this, but I really do hope for a full recovery by Adam. But since it seems to be the only way to justify my position, I will reveal the motivation behind my extreme restraint regarding rushing to assume Mr. Richards bears whole responsibility. My brother returned from Iraq, for the record, I am a 7 year Army veteran myself. My brother would be described as relaxed, never hurt a fly, extremely popular etc. When he came home he had several incidents (legal) that seemed way out of character. Then one night 2 months ago, he went off the deep end and did something (all I will say is that it had nothing to do with women or children) has landed him in jail awaiting trial. This happened after a night of drinking with friends.

My point is, I have seen first hand how someone can behave in a manner completely alien to people who know them best, and we should never be surprised by what behavior and personality traits are capable of revealing themselves, especially when drinking. All I have said from the beginning is, lets let the police sort out the victims and criminals. This is really what sets us apart from the countries we are fighting in. Mob rule and group think are very scary things to watch happen live, and sometimes the person you are convinced is guilty actually lived a completely different truth. For the record, my wife and I love Stillwater.

I completely agree. And I just read that Adam has passed, I am very sorry that this is the way this story has ended. I truly hope that justice falls as heavy as it can on who holds blame here. If that person is Eric Richards, so be it. I don't kow why this story grabbed my attention, we certainly have enough of these tragedies happening all around us. But it has, and I appologize if I offended anyone. I really just wanted to see the whole story come out before any judgement was passed. I hope his family can survive this.

Adam was a GREAT friend of mine and we were close. He was a great person and he was one of the most caring guys in the world. He had a great heart and looked out for everyone. For your info his family took him off life support and we lost a GREAT person today! He impacted a ton and I mean a ton of ppl throughout the twin cities. He was friends with everyone. I have known Adam for almost 17 yrs. I went to jr high and high school with him. For someone to pass judgement on a person by not even knowing him is just ignorance. I'm not trying to start a fight but you need to understand that his family and friends will likely see your comments and be pretty offended as was I. He fought for his life for 5 days. And lost the battle. God took a GREAT young, caring, kind and sweetest guy away from his family and friends. And as to him "interacting all night" with the attacker.... The article DOES NOT say what type of interaction they had. We do not know what actually happened that night because NON of us were there. Adam is not one to start a fight. Like I said I'm not trying to start no fight at all.. i just want you all to understand that his family, as among a lot of his friends ,will see the comments and out of respect you could be a little more respectful of your words.

It is nearly impossible to not overserve people. I have worked in bars for years. 1st, you don't see the person the whole night from start to finish, secondly you are serving hundreds of people (on place I worked in had `1,600 people in it at a time) how can you know who's drinking what, and finally some people go to work drunk everyday for years and no one knows not even their family. So how the hell are you going to control the amount that people drink. Its impossible. If you want to stop people from being "overserved" you need to outlaw alcohol.

The mug shot!

The real story is in the eyes, where does all that hate, contempt, and anger come from?